Hours 11-20 | Tower of Technobabble

Hours 11-20

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Hour 11 (Saturday, 6 a.m. – 7 a.m.)
  • Still playing with Twilight the Board Game
  • A sleep-deprived-induced word from our sponsor, as read by Bella from Twilight … (seemed like a good idea at the time)
  • Ky Slim’s History Notes: 968 AD, Future King Ethelred the Unready defecates
  • Ky Slim’s History Notes: 999 AD, Pope Sylvester II consorts with the devil
  • Repeater and Ky Slim are tired, Conduit rallies
  • MEMORY TRIGGER STAR WARS FIGURE of the HOUR 11: Admiral Ackbar
  • Ky Slim tells us about Bob Lazar’s 25th Anniversary of spilling the beans on Area 51 and the UFO’s they have.
  • STAR WARS COMMENTARY–PART 3… We rejoin with Leia and Han in the cockpit, vests and karate shirt, hyperspace actuator, too many levers?, pew pew pew, the Y-Wing fighter, very disciplined bunch of rebels, rebels agree on rules?, R2 can only do 4:3 aspect ration, we don’t’ have midichlorians sir, where are the Death Star engines? gravity-well loan, Mr. Howl, burn, hey moustache guy!, farmboy gets an F16, the color blorg, the NPR radio expanded radio play, he has raw force, force transfusion, random check in order, Porkins!, shut up wedge!, total human sausage fest, the white-dude rebellion, the Hammerhead rebellion (copyright Tower of Technobabble 2014), Porkins was his flight handle, Porkins 8, George Jefferson goin to get in his TIE Fighter, even though there’s a frown on my helmet I love my job, Starbuck did that 2 years later, why do you need to wind you TIE Fighter watch? why do you need to be reminded to stay in formation? lots of gun holes, Blue Blockers, all the stars are solar, man-kini, Peter Cushing not in Dr Who canon, he’s from south space, rank based on face hair, how do X-Wings shoot backwards?, love that you can tell it’s a model, the second Charlie’s Angels movie, all of his stuff is right there, sorry, lightly tapping the brakes, now Han will be my new best friend, name a sandwich after me, I got this, Anakin and R2 used to be friends, Vampire gives the order to fire, how heroic is ti to wait til the last second? 80 left four came back, Carrie!, Oak Ridge Boys survived, Tony in IT, ring toss Chewbacca, prejudiced racist senator again, look who got all buffed?, the only lady on the planet, digital woman, call to the home office, Tarkin always calls before he blows up a planet.
  • Top Google Searches for the 50 States: Hawaii thru Kentucky
  • We explain the Hammerhead Rebellion to Paul Francis
  • We ask a nurse: when do the hallucinations start?
  • Liar Liar: Mikey and Pop Rocks


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    Hour 12 (Saturday, 7 a.m. – 8 a.m.)
  • Our friend Eddy and her awesome voice joins us on the red chair, she ponders a Star Wars question
  • a word from our sponsors
  • MEMORY TRIGGER STAR WARS FIGURE of the HOUR 12: The Emperor
  • Eddy points out the Emperor is wearing palazzo pants
  • Ky Slim takes a break
  • BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER geekout, with Eddy and Conduit and Repeater, including: getting sucked in at a young age, the message of “Grease”, the great writing of Buffy, good messages and witty quotes, the will-they won’t they of Buffy/Angel, stand-alone vs arc, Riley is no good, why are vampires popular?, Buffy can’t fix, Zander, what’s up with season 4?, deep thoughts on motivation and aspects of character, Buffy/Angel vs Buffy/Spike, vamps with souls, why did Cory leave? Season 4 of Angel is hard to watch, the Buffy seasons, Angel re-souled, Facts of Life parallel, how shows evolve like Big Bang Theory, converting people to Buffy, the big-bad problem, goofy things that didn’t work, what if Buffy was rebooted? the season 8 comics, Willow’s boy/girlfriends, eye-for-an-eye in real life vs TV life, Firefly heartbreak, is Dollhouse worth it?, the library was the best place in the world,
  • Feedbag: German’s have a word for gaining weight from stress eating, and other culture’s with specific words that English skipped.
  • Feedbag: The US Airforce says they could totally beat Godzilla, no problem. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/08/air-force-claims-could-take-godzilla_n_5289086.html
  • Feedbag: Raising pigs to taste like whiskey http://www.odditycentral.com/news/iowa-distillery-wants-to-raise-pigs-that-taste-like-rye-whisky.html
  • Wonderfest coordinator Dave Conover stops by shows us the exact camping lantern used by George Adamski to fake a series of UFO photos in the 1950s. All he needed was the top of the lantern and ping-pong balls on the bottom http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/photo_database/image/venusian_scoutcraft
  • Dave Conover sits in the red interview chair, lets us know the highlights coming in the day as Wonderfest starts up in an hour or so.


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    Hour 13 (Saturday, 8 a.m. – 9 a.m.)
  • Dave Conover finishes some highligths, and a word from our sponsors
  • MEMORY TRIGGER STAR WARS FIGURE of the HOUR 13: Bossk
  • Feedbag: The Museum of Broken Relationships http://www.huffingtonpost.com/renee-fisher/the-museum-of-broken-rela_b_5274748.html
  • Conduit ponders getting into resin model building … because the temptation is all around us! But does he have room for a huge 3-foot Enterprise?
  • Conduit discovers Ky Slim’s foley desk sounds, then discusses the mobile Towerbot unit
  • Conduit and Repeater look over their shoulders and describe the displays and suit models they can see in their immediate area.
  • Cosplay critique, Judge Dredds, and re-arranging our desks
  • Conduit thinks back to his first geek memories, our earliest Star Trek impressions, the Star Trek animated series, Blackstar: Repeater’s first custom action figure, Jason of Star Command, neither of us ever saw Monster Squad,
  • Repeater fantasizes about taking a break
  • Conduit and Repeater try to get people to stop by and talk with us
  • Ethan Black (Ethan Black Arts) sits in the red interview chair, he’s set up at a table to our left, our con neighbor! He’s at Wonderfest showcasing his digital artwork and a few life-size corpse props … including a zombie bride model named “Agatha” wearing his sister’s old wedding dress. Also a cool life-size mummy puppet that’s used for green screen filming. He also talks about motion capture techniques, vinyl records, the southern “gentile” ghost fad, Return of the Living Dead concept illustrator William Stout, Halloween yard haunting, 3-D printers, the Tennessee body farm, cremation, mad scientists vs sane scientists, Cyber-Stein, the costume for Creature from the Black Lagoon,
  • Conduit’s good lady wife brings us bacon and eggs!


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    Hour 14 (Saturday, 9 a.m. – 10 a.m.)
  • We love anonymous eggs, and a (mumbled) word from our sponsor.
  • MEMORY TRIGGER STAR WARS FIGURE of the HOUR 14: Boba Fett … Conduit oddly chokes on his firing missile
  • Conduit leaves to seek medical attention, Repeater mans the fort solo and decides to read his rant about Boba Fett (which he wrote out all by himself).
  • Repeater starts to divulge super secret personal info about the genesis of Tower of Technobabble, but cuts it short when Conduit returns, and goes back to Boba Fett.
  • Conduit defends the sweet backpack.
  • Repeater plans to give away free Doctor Who CDs to attract people to their table
  • We want to ghost hunt, so we: Meet the EMF meter! http://io9.com/5875212/meet-the-emf-meter-the-little-tool-that-ghost-hunters-swear-by
  • Ky Slim returns
  • Stevie Moore sits in the red interview chair, www.studiospectre.com He is a wildlife painter/illustrator from Lexington Ky, focusing mainly on natural history, paleo ecology and dinosaurs. We talk about recently found new dinosaur species, creating giant digital murals showing Kentucky from 100 thousand years ago, mastodons in Kentucky, why the Mammoths died off, the giant extinct moa bird in New Zealand, how recent ground sloths were here, modern megafauna that are endangered, T-Rex’s with feathers, Tyrannosaur behavior and hunting vs scavenging (has to do with the critter’s age!), primitive birds are their scales/feathers, the late 1800s Bone Wars, did they jump the gun naming T-Rex the “king”?, paleontology is a constantly changing field, stegosaurus plates were originally thought to be horizontal, the Creation Museum and not taking it personal, agreeing to disagree is a beautiful thing, speculation vs conservative depictions of dinosaurs, Repeater’s nun/dinosaur story is told again (Stevie thinks it’s a cool visual), dinosaur’s ties to fantasy, ancient people see T-Rex bones as a dragon, does the idea for “fire breathing” come from poisonous snakes? (it burns!), snakes in world cultures
  • Quick production meeting, big props to the hotel shower heads
  • Ky Slim memories of his Boba Fett action figure, which figures make good chew toys, Repeater’s rubber band holster scheme that backfired on him,
  • We say hello to another neighbor moving in, Bryan from Movie Meltdown
  • Would “Lord of the Rings” be better as an episodic TV series or a movie series?
  • Liar Liar: Who originated scalping?


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    Hour 15 (Saturday, 10 a.m. – 11 a.m.)
  • Convention officially starts, and a word from our sponsor
  • Ky Slim’s History Notes: 1167 AD, the Merman of Orford
  • Ky Slim’s History Notes: the origin of the phrase “Let God Sort it Out” 1209 AD
  • MEMORY TRIGGER STAR WARS FIGURE of the HOUR 15: Greg Caufield pulls out… Luke Skywalker Jedi Knight Outfit
  • Greg Caufield sits in the red interview chair, along with his kids Emily (age 10) and Ben (age 8). We geek out on Doctor Who, and talk about: jumping on the Doctor Who bandwagon, now driving it, constantly playing the show on netflix, young Ben’s thoughts on the convention, Van Gogh, Emily’s thoughts on the convention and cosplay, “creepy” things on display like the corpse displays, Daleks on t-shirts, favorite Doctors, the whiny teenager from “Nightmare in Silver”, David Tennant’s shoes, why Rose is pretty good, Amy and Rory, Dad’s favorite is Donna and why, what’s up with Martha? Rose treated Mickey bad, the new older Doctor, episodes they like (“Evolution of the Daleks,” “Blink”), episodes that don’t work (“Fear Her”, ), quoting Kid Snipets, the dangerous “I-Carly” scenario when attempting World Records
  • Paul LePree from “Ultra Pop” sits in the red interview chair. https://www.facebook.com/UltraPopShop We talk about Goat Man action figures, figure production issues, what is the Ultra Pop store in Louisville all about?, selling obscure toys and art, having a store for cool parents, space issues, ditching your couch in favor of more stuff, the guy who owns the largest JAWS collection, Japanese toys and trading, Facebook friend issues and protocol, a collector of collections, Elvis and 1980s arena-rock dominating the old vinyl record market, Journey’s new singer, Don’t Stop Believing, Tribute, the art of haggling, never haggle at Target or Paul’s store, Repeater’s lamp falls over, Jedi Luke has apps in his robot hand, Market Pantry peanuts, Ultra Pop’s new location on Barret Ave.


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    Hour 16 (Saturday, 11 a.m. – 12 p.m.)
  • Paul LePree sticks around to read his own store’s ad for us, with such enthusiasm! Then he’s off to haggle….
  • MEMORY TRIGGER STAR WARS FIGURE of the HOUR 16: (Chief Wombat?) Chief Chirpa the Ewok
  • Repeater takes a break
  • Ky Slim and Conduit ponder fire hazards and action figures
  • Conduit sees the models all around him, and considers what it’d be like to try one out…

  • Ky Slim’s History Notes: the Norwegian Wild Man of the Woods, 1250 AD
  • Ky Slim’s History Notes: 1311 AD Pope Clement V condemn the Brethren of the Free Spirit (aka naked)
  • Ky Slim’s History Notes: 1385 AD, Nuns of St Helen reprimanded for kissing the public and other such crimes. It’s a crime for girls to just wanna have fun.
  • Production meeting: Conduit is necessary and loved!
  • Ky Slim’s History Notes: Jan 28, 1393 AD, the Ball of the Burning Ones … aka, when cosplay goes horribly wrong.
  • Ky Slim’s History Notes: 1460 AD, Family burnt for cannibalism except for their baby, who later grew up and burned for the same crime. Later in 1462 Vlad the Impaler goes all cray-cray on the Turks and German merchants.
  • Paul LePree reports on interview negotiations
  • Feedbag #1: Air Force to dismantle HAARP http://www.adn.com/2014/05/14/3470442/air-force-prepares-to-dismantle.html
  • Henchmen wanna hench, yo!
  • Ewoks eat their prisoners
  • Feedbag #2: Whoops! CNN runs false report that asteroid will end life on earth http://rt.com/usa/162044-cnn-giant-asteroid-hoax/
  • “Citizen journalism” throws trust out the window, and you need Snopes
  • TV journalists and their dismissive tones and body language on fringe news
  • Liar Liar: Galileo invented the telescope?, and there is no ocean water flowing into the Panama Canal
  • Ky Slim talks Tolkien: The Luinil
  • Snopes Horror with Conduit: Vanishing Hitchhiker variations, like the old Doctor returning from Country Club picks up a hot ghostly chick hitchhiking outside Baltimore, Route #1.
  • Suit up the Safety Vests!
  • Cough drop report — Ky Slim and Conduit taste test the Halls Intense Cool Menthols
  • Ky Slim checks Facebook comments — Chief Wombat is surprisingly popular.
  • Faux George Lucas and faux Stan Lee stroll by…


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    Hour 17 (Saturday, 12 p.m. – 1 p.m.)
  • (Ky Slim incorrectly calls this Hour 16 … but it’s ok, he’s sleepy!)
  • A word from our sponsors
  • Conduit and Ky Slim talk about their rescue pets
  • MEMORY TRIGGER STAR WARS FIGURE of the HOUR 17: (NOTE — there temporarily no Star Wars Figure of the hour #17 because Conduit and Ky Slim can’t find where Repeater hid his toybox…)
  • Ky Slim’s History Notes: 1470 AD, the Abbot of Bain invents a pig piano
  • Star Wars Trivial Pursuit Game! Ky Slim and Conduit appreciate how the pieces are cool pewter, not like the crappy game pieces in the Twilight Board Game.
  • Repeater returns from a quick nap
  • Repeater flags down a random guy holding an authentic boxed Star Wars Empire Strikes Back Turret and Probot playset from 1980! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akO31XgJW3w
  • Brad Moiser sits in the red interview chair, talks about his purchase which he will use to complete the Probot figure he has at home .. for only $20! We talk about other old vintage Star Wars playsets, Phil Tipptet, the Dianoga,
  • MEMORY TRIGGER STAR WARS FIGURE of the HOUR 17 do-over: Brad Moiser pulls out …. the wild card! A 1979 “Spock” figure from Star Trek the Motion Picture! Repeater put it in the bag as a joke … it totally blindsides Brad, but Conduit and Slim are not impressed).
  • for the third time … MEMORY TRIGGER STAR WARS FIGURE of the HOUR 17 re-do-over : Brad Moiser pulls out … Biker Scout
  • Discussion of the best imperial troop figures
  • The joys of hotel showers and lady Luna Bars
  • Repeater wonders what to ask the JAWS guy, because he’s never seen JAWS. Repeater explains his “Cliff’s Notes” way of faking nerd movie knowledge.
  • Robert from New Jersey sits in the red interview chair, he talks about: flying in to Louisville, his thoughts on Wonderfest, the similar convention he runs in New Jersey called “Jersey Fest” and its focus on garage kits and props like here here at Wonderfest. Check out his convention site at www.jerseyfestfair.com
  • A Stormtrooper stands next to the red interview chair! Alex Brown (TK-3855) from Greenwood SC, he’s also a Medic in the US Army stationed at Fort Campbell. http://www.501st.com/members/displaymember.php?userID=12431&costumeID=124 We talk about the bad and undeservedly terrible reputation that the Stormtroopers have, the terrorist Obi-Wan Kenobi starting bar fights, how he got into “Stormtroopering” back in 2010, the story of R2-KT, the 501st Legion, Space Snowden, $32 Million raised last year in charity globally, over 6k members globally, the story of how the suit was created, the 499th and the teddy bears, the in defense of Stormtroopers’ aim and motivations, the Boba Fett/Owen Beru conspiracy, what the parts of the suit are for, Jedis are the terrorists, Yoda’s disconnect with reality, Alex’s AT-AT ambition, Dalek building, the Fort Campbell Dewback, a few stories from Afghanistan and the positive things happening that do not get reported on the news, the secret US Space Corp., fixing NASA, going to Space Camp, the social awkwardness when two Vaders show up,
  • Liar Liar: the sea cucumber, Bible and masturbation,
  • Frank Freund, 76, sits in the red interview chair: tells us about rescuing a 13 year old cat, the cat ruined his old Star Trek Models, New Jersey to Roanoke, Astounding Science fiction Magazine from the 1940s, Hurricane Sandy


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    Hour 18 (Saturday, 1 p.m. – 2 p.m.)
  • Still talking with Frank Freund, tells us about his favorite movies through the years including Star Wars and the Search for Spock, the quality of scifi from the 1950s, storyline over special effects, Ray Harryhausen and the feeling you get from the old effects, kids cut into art time, Frank is looking for any rifles made by his great grandfather who was a gunsmith that traveled west with the railroad (named Frank William Freund), the Roanoke mystery
  • A word from our sponsors
  • Ky Slim’s History Notes: 1507 AD, Abbott John Damian attempts to fly
  • Ky Slim’s History Notes: 1520 AD, Magellan names Patagonia
  • MEMORY TRIGGER STAR WARS FIGURE of the HOUR 18: TIE Fighter Pilot
  • Repeater goes mobile, worries about telling the JAWS guy that he’s never seen JAWS.
  • Repeater talks to “Night Vision” of GI Joe, who explains the many, many sound effect guns strapped to him.
  • Repeater talks to Paige and Chloe Tilford and their three little adorable pug puppies: Phantom, Sailer and Mayun
  • Entering the dealer room, looking for the shark guy, instead getting distracted by the huge Bird of Prey
  • The 3 pug puppies get their photo taken in the replica Shark mouth
  • Paula Fox from Wonderest tells us about special effect designer Joe Alves, (the production designer for JAWS) and the props he has on display. We’ve just missed him and Paula is holding the booth for him. She gives Repeater tips on how to bluff not seeing the movie.
  • Repeater returns to home base, quick production meeting, Repeater talks about the wonders he glimpsed in the Wonderfest Dealer Room.
  • Ky Slim suits up to go mobile, and seek out the shark guy himself
  • Ky Slim reports on a giant Enterprise model, a bin full of heads, shift knobs, visions of the final frontier, a giant Yoda, Sci Fi pinups, airbrush guns, model for When Worlds Collide, the firearm display featuring guns from Stargate, Judge Dredd, Jango Fett, the Black Hole gun … (sadly no boomerang thingy from Krull)
  • Repeater ponders female Snowtroopers and making costumes
  • Ky Slim talks to Chris Kiszka, owner of the largest collection of original JAWS
  • memorabilia in the word. They talk about the 1973 and 74 storyboards and concept drawings from Joe Alves, as well as original props that Chris has on display such as the original barrel, harpoon gun, rod and reel, hoopers flashlight, the wheel from the Orca, and the final tank that explodes in the shark’s mouth, as well as a full-sized replica of “Bruce” the shark, a plea for citizens to come see Bruce, pug ettiquette, distrested appearance for props, his plans for Joe, https://www.facebook.com/chris.kiszka

  • Ky Slim talks to Paula, discuss fear of the unknown in the deep water
  • Ky Slim compares the size of Conduit’s giant dog to the giant Bird of Prey model
  • A black Jeep Cherokee needs to out of the loading zone
  • Conduit asks Slim to ask for modeling advice and tips from the experts


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    Hour 19 (Saturday, 2 p.m. – 3 p.m.)
  • Ky Slim still wandering, and a word from our sponsors……….
  • Rumored Gorn sighting
  • Ky Slim returns home after hitting a warm zone
  • Michael Griffith sits in the red interview chair, tells us about his amazing “Hellboy” Fez, he’s a huge fan and supporter of custom-made head gear from Fez-o-rama, we hear the sound of crushed velvet, the lovely quilted interior. Michael explains the advantages of the Fez, the Amazing Screw-On Head, tassle etiquette, http://fez-o-rama.com/
  • Ky Slim’s History Notes: 1536 AD, execution of John of Leiden
  • How do you create a micro-nation?
  • MEMORY TRIGGER STAR WARS FIGURE of the HOUR 19: Snowtrooper
  • Real-life legit scientist Monica Wolfsen writes in on facebook
  • Repeaters throws himself at various passers by.
  • Top Google Searches for the 50 States: Louisiana thru Massachusetts
  • David Hodge sits in the red interview chair!!!! Dave is the CEO of Wonderfest, and a retired zookeeper. (This is the first chat we have. A few hours later he returns to talk about wrangling Tigers. No, really!) Dave talks about the Wonderfest 25th Anniversary, the model contest with over 600 entries, the various aspects of the convention, Dave’s animal sculptures — big cats, lions, tigers, jaguars, etc, his 30 year career at the Louisville Zoo in charge of bears, big cats, seals and sea lions, his love of Godzilla movies, his early interest in animals and work on degrees, the earliest Wonderfest conventions, “legit” models vs “scifi” models in the eyes of IPMS, what it takes to cosplay, really anal fans judging you, kit bashing contest, future convention secrets, other cons come here to take notes, fascinating people everywhere
  • Academy Award winning special effects artist Phil Tippett sits in the red interview chair!!! He’s done so much … http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0864138/?ref_=nv_sr_1
    Listen in as we talk to him about: the effects he did for Star Wars (the Tauntauns, the Rancor, AT-AT Snow Walkers) and Coneheads and Robocop, the Mad God project (an attempt to come back into expressing a narrative more like a collage, all done with sets and models and stop motion animation), the current kick-starter campaign https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/madgod/phil-tippetts-mad-god-part-2 , the new Chronicle Collectible project he’s doing with Paul Francis http://www.chroniclecollectibles.com where they preserve old molds that are falling apart and the archeological reconstruction work, the archiving process of keeping old props and molds, working with George Lucas and the feeling on the set, how Lucas wanted to use his stop motion for the chess set in Star Wars, animating the Snow Walker in Empire Strikes Back, the strafing shot from the snowspeeder, making the Hoth scenes, seeing his stuff in toy stores, going to Disneyland’s opening day, Phil’s first special effect attempts, trying to learn with a super-8 camera, stop motion GI Joe and burning model kits, his thoughts on CGI over-saturation.


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    Hour 20 (Saturday, 3 p.m. – 4 p.m.)
  • Continue speaking with Phil Tippett, talking about: new technology drives the effects you see in movies, working with water, his thoughts on Life of Pi, game changers, the business side of visual effects, the real classification of AT-AT, Cliff Claven, and Phil signs Conduit’s mobile Towerbot, Paul Francis is good people
  • Some words from our sponsors, and Ky Slim takes a short break
  • Bryan Renfro from Movie Meltdown stops by, and we set up to do a simultaneous podcast recording … for the rest of the hour we record an episode of MOVIE MELTDOWN! http://www.moviemeltdown.com/
  • Bryan talks about the Snowtrooper figure from the last hour
  • MEMORY TRIGGER STAR WARS FIGURE of the HOUR 20: Bryan pulls out Death Star Droid and his floppy limbs
  • Action Figure Memories with Bryan Renfro: comments on Power Droid, FX-7, Walrus Man, Greedo (and the naked lady who played him)
  • Ky Slim comes back, and he can now finally appear on Movie Meltdown. We all discuss: the strange relationship between Bryan and Slim, and the issue Bryan has with our two podcasts … 19 vs 1, Skype vs gathering, saying everything you’ll ever say in a lifetime all at once, Mark’s Feed Store, pissing off b-list celebrities, tales of Mark Book, loose action figures when they were made of shiny plastic, Bryan doesn’t like his new neighbors at Wonderfest, the JAWS head, Bryan learned long ago to not share his toys, the amazing dealer room, finding time for Game of Thrones, the chest region and fantasy movies, the Wicker Man and its song, Bryan uses the force, Repeater presents Bryan with a major award circa 1996, the lizard in the house, missing all the movies in the 80s and yet knowing all the best bits, Bryan asks if we’ve seen any movies, Conduit talks about the X-Men movies, time travel is not Kitty Pride’s deal, Repeater takes a break
  • Bryan and Ky Slim make up for lost time and talk movies: fake shark movies, Grabbers, codename “Ginny”, the Burrowers, Richard Coyle from Coupling, Repeater returns and asks about Godzilla
  • We all rant about the new Hobbit movie (SPOILER: we ruin the sucky ending), Peter Jackson and editing, why trilogies?, movie sequels in Europe/Britain vs USA, Jerry Reed, why the pirate thing?, the true Ohio River pirates, Madison rocket boats, Bryan thinks we all need a nap
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